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bjorn
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Just wanted to put this one back where it belongs: sorry fabadmin. It's kinda cool though that I can do something you can't. Though I'm sure you could find away to revoke my registration and delete my posts if you cared to.
I don't think I'm the only one being "played" by Kalkin. I just hope he doesn't bluff his way into scewing up the "modern prefab" movement.
I think there is a huge danger to the public when architecture is conceived, produced and sold as "Art", especially when it's being peddled to the public ala Jones, Kalkin, and even our friend Lufos as being socially, environmentally, economically and spatially friendly.
This is the State of the Art, people:
And here's an excerpt I pulled off Kalkin's own website which I think describes it well. Better than I could, anyway. bolding by me:
"The houses that Kalkin builds embody the paradoxes and ambiguities that are more often the domain of the art object than of the domestic environment. By using prefabricated metal Butler buildings, shipping containers, Jetways, urban detritus, even food – he introduces an emotional ambiguity into an area of architecture that has long conformed to a limited set of effects. Neither conventional notions of comfort nor specific usage is encoded in the materials he uses or in the spaces he creates Kalkin fuses building, performance, conceptual art, kinetic construction, and play into an eidetic whole. His art is characterized by a inventive, low-tech, mechanized absurdity..." |
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lavardera
Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 708 Location: merchantville, nj
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| bjorn wrote: | | I think there is a huge danger to the public when architecture is conceived, produced and sold as "Art" |
Perhaps that is what Kalkin is doing - not really doing fine architecture by any means, but rather a sort of "ready made" art with architecture as its medium. Whatever - I don't think there is any subterfuge going on here - his intentions are clear, and you would have to be clueless to think otherwise.
Now bjorn's take on Jones however is quite the opposite. He characterizes him doing just the opposite of Kalkin: He is conceiving and producing "Art" and selling it to the public as architecture. On these terms I would say here lies subterfuge where as Kalkin is above the table with what he is doing.
I don't know if I buy into this line of thinking, or perhaps I do and it just doesn't matter. At the end of the day the buyer of a Kalkin house or a Jones house will decide what it means to them no matter what we think. _________________ Gregory La Vardera
architect www.lamidesign.com
modern stock plans www.lamidesign.com/plans
modern workplace www.workalicious.org |
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fabadmin Site Admin
Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 648
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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The venue that was used to present Quikbuild in NY is Deitch Galleries, an art/installation space. FYI Kalkin was also giving away copies of a small book he co-produced titled Addiction. It was full of 'architectural' graphics like the ones below.
PS Bjorn - no problem putting the post back in this thread. I would have if I could (have).
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varp
Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 102 Location: australia
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | "The houses that Kalkin builds embody the paradoxes and ambiguities that are more often the domain of the art object than of the domestic environment. By using prefabricated metal Butler buildings, shipping containers, Jetways, urban detritus, even food – he introduces an emotional ambiguity into an area of architecture that has long conformed to a limited set of effects. Neither conventional notions of comfort nor specific usage is encoded in the materials he uses or in the spaces he creates Kalkin fuses building, performance, conceptual art, kinetic construction, and play into an eidetic whole. His art is characterized by a inventive, low-tech, mechanized absurdity..." |
All true.
But what's his crime? It's Art baby and I like it.
Confronting - Yes and not for Joe Public, but it's good art because there is something going on and we're talking about it!
I see in his work a celebration of the banal and the everyday. Makes the everyday special which removes it from the everyday and makes it a bit self conscious. You can see it in that drawing he did that Michael has shown - the man with the airplane and building "Man manipulates scene".
Kalkin does and has and I find it engaging.
Is perhaps a Little bit Good... No? . |
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modernlover
Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 293 Location: PHX
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Yes. Ees leetle beet good. _________________ Justin |
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Debrabooth
Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 14
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:43 pm Post subject: other kalkin projects |
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Has anyone seen other Kalkin projects--like the one at Sherbourne, Vermont? --Collector's House I think it's called. I'm thinking particularly of the Butler Building projects where he places containers inside a steel building.
Just curious.
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bjorn
Joined: 13 Dec 2003 Posts: 25
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose as art it's passable, if perverse and self-referential-kinda like Robert Wilson in some ways. But have you checked out his marketing material? | kalkin (off the Quik page of his website) wrote: | | We can help you construct and finish your house for an additional fee either by having one of our construction team assist your contractor or, in certain locations, by contracting the project ourselves | I think he's really trying to sell this thing as a nice house to live in. No joke. Is this a leetle beet not so gud? Whaddaya think the fee is? maybe 20% ($20k). I wonder what Deitch paid him (or what he paid them).
Are you guys trying to marginalize Adam or what? I thought he was one of the fab 5 on containerbaywatch... |
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modernlover
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Man! This guy just won't quit, will he?
Now I'm BORED... _________________ Justin |
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bjorn
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Andy Warhol wrote: | | I like boring things. |
Really, he did. |
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fabadmin Site Admin
Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 648
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: other kalkin projects |
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| Debrabooth wrote: | | Has anyone seen other Kalkin projects--like the one at Sherbourne, Vermont? --Collector's House I think it's called. I'm thinking particularly of the Butler Building projects where he places containers inside a steel building. |
Collector's House is project 042 in ContainerBay. I have not seen his Butler based work in the flesh yet. Do you have his Butler book?
http://www.stoutbooks.com/cgi-bin/stoutbooks.cgi/48559.html |
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modernlover
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Andy Warhol was a great conversationalist, sharp as a tack; I knew the man - don't bother quoting him at me, *dude*. _________________ Justin |
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modernlover
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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And furthermore, that's the end of this "discussion", as far as I'm concerned. Bjorn, cut the crap. _________________ Justin |
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Debrabooth
Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 14
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 4:53 am Post subject: Re: other kalkin projects |
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Collector's House is project 042 in ContainerBay. I have not seen his Butler based work in the flesh yet. Do you have his Butler book?
http://www.stoutbooks.com/cgi-bin/stoutbooks.cgi/48559.html[/quote]
I've ordered the Butler book so I have not seen it yet. I also purchased the other 'architecture and hygiene'. I think the Bunny Lane House is also very interesting. I have to admit that the container issue as expressed here is a little more limited from my point of view, perhaps it's because it's a little too sparten, a little claustrophic in feeling for me. However, the Butler building or even containers inside the Butler Building is putting it in some sort of context that, for me, is easier to "live with".
As to the artist-aspect of Adam Kalkin--who cares? Whatever keeps him going. I mean architecture is not exactly devoid of architects who see themselves as artists. It really doesn't matter--what matters to me is what I like and what I don't like, what I can live with and what I can't. Gee.
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Debrabooth
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 5:09 am Post subject: Re: other kalkin projects |
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Collector's House is project 042 in ContainerBay. I have not seen his Butler based work in the flesh yet. Do you have his Butler book?
http://www.stoutbooks.com/cgi-bin/stoutbooks.cgi/48559.html[/quote]
I've ordered the Butler book so I have not seen it yet. I also purchased the other 'architecture and hygiene'. I think the Bunny Lane House is also very interesting. I have to admit that the container issue as expressed here is a little more limited from my point of view, perhaps it's because it's a little too sparten, a little claustrophic in feeling for me. However, the Butler building or even containers inside the Butler Building is putting it in some sort of context that, for me, is easier to "live with".
As to the artist-aspect of Adam Kalkin--who cares? Whatever keeps him going. I mean architecture is not exactly devoid of architects who see themselves as artists. It really doesn't matter--what matters to me is what I like and what I don't like, what I can live with and what I can't. Gee.
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theflamingpuppy
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:17 pm Post subject: How is artistically creative architecture at all dangerous? |
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In response to bjorn statement: “I don't think I'm the only one being "played" by Kalkin. I just hope he doesn't bluff his way into scewing up the "modern prefab" movement… I think there is a huge danger to the public when architecture is conceived, produced and sold as "Art"
Since when is it bad to have a building as an art piece? That’s what architecture is all about! How is artistically creative architecture at all dangerous to the public?
I saw an interview on the BBC a while back with Kalkin where he specifically said that he doesn’t think these suburban house kits will ever truly become popular in suburbia… but that perhaps a few people, like himself, would enjoy living in a work of art. |
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