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rglater



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:22 am    Post subject: courtHOUSE by Mark Meyer (aka less than 1,000 square feet) Reply with quote

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Sturgeon's Law (Ted), is, "Ninety percent of everything is crap", art, design, craft, etc. I used to add, "The trick is to find the ten percent", going for a more elite quote I have tried, "The examined life is lived in search of the ten percent". I am afraid that last one falls into the ninety percent area.

Most of the environments we experience are crap, I appreciate anyone trying for ten percent status. I love many styles of design my favotite car of all time is a Ferrari 250 GTO but I wouldn't want to own one, I love Greene and Greene but I wouldn't want to own one. I need the architectural equivalent of a Mini, small, fun, enough nostalgia to make my 47 year old sensabilities comfy, but I would be willing to try a Prius house.

I don't need/can't use a Dwell House, I need less than 1,000 square feet, maybe much less. And I need to be able to buy and/or build it on an American wage. Do that for me and make it into my ninety percent and it can be any style plus I'll kiss you full on the lips. Ask my former, she'll tell you I am a ten percenter at kissing.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:34 am    Post subject: small spaces Reply with quote

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I don't need/can't use a Dwell House, I need less than 1,000 square feet, maybe much less. And I need to be able to buy and/or build it on an American wage. Do that for me and make it into my ninety percent and it can be any style plus I'll kiss you full on the lips. Ask my former, she'll tell you I am a ten percenter at kissing.


R. Deitzel,

Man, are you right. A well designed space can preclude the need for the space itself, Quality over quantity. Here is the floor plan for the 1963 apartment I live in in Austin. It is 750s.f. but feels and works like it is 1000s.f., mostly all due to the three walls of glass into the private courtyard. I've worked up a panelized SIP version of this apartment that could be built as a stand-alone house for somewhere around $60K, and it could be erected in a few weeks. I think you could get people excited over something like that.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Oh! Well! Reply with quote

rglater wrote:
I don't need/can't use a Dwell House, I need less than 1,000 square feet, maybe much less. And I need to be able to buy and/or build it on an American wage. Do that for me and make it into my ninety percent and it can be any style plus I'll kiss you full on the lips. Ask my former, she'll tell you I am a ten percenter at kissing.


If you don't care about the style, here is something you can get right now.

http://www.ecocottages.com/models.php?PHPSESSID=b9b2bcc81032d026b9bea0991810b5e9

Its fourty two K and change without the foundation, kitchen cabinets, etc. I'm sure you can put the whole thing together for 60k for 1200 sq ft. Scroll down to see the smaller ones. The other one is 800 sqft and 35 K and change.

If you want shelter on the cheap this is it. They have traditional styling applied but you could easily strip that off for a more modern look. The construction is certainly modern - all steel and no maintenance. Not bad for the price.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I do want style, I am just less concerned about which style.

I like that apartment. Currently I live in an eco redo of a 60's apartment, bamboo floors, low VOC paint etc. at 600 square feet it is big enough for me. I did live in a 1950 architect designed, FLW inspired place but 2,000 square feet for two people? Loved it but not needed.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rglater wrote:
Sorry, I do want style, I am just less concerned about which style.


Well then you need to invest in design because there is nothing ready to wear that will fit the bill. It certainly can be done.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

designSTUDIO, I *like* that design! If I can find some land, I'd definitely consider that layout. Can you show us some ideas on what the exterior might look like? What specific dimensions did you have in mind?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:31 pm    Post subject: apartment Reply with quote

pbriet,

The apartment is wonderful. Architects have lived in this particular unit since 1990, the first of which was a profesor of mine, then some visiting arch profs, now me. It really is amazing, especially as it is more or less untouched since its 1963 construction date. If you drop me an email I can send you a pdf of the existing dimensioned floor plan, as well as the floor plan for my panelized version of the apartment. It has grown a wee bit from the original size, based mostly on overlaying a 4' grid over the plan to take better advantage of panelized construction. Due to the central courtyard the exterior elevations are kept intentionally minimalist, with few if any windows. I've toyed with the idea of allowing the living/dining room to have a higher ceiling with clerestory windows above the 8' plate height. Currently the existing building has a flat roof and a red-brick exterior (w/ brick courtyard wall as well). I can see the exterior translating to currugated metal, corTen plate, smooth plaster, or better yet, horizontal Ipe siding. Since the plan is so simple the sky is the limit for the exterior materials.

(you can click on my signature and it will take you to my LiveModern homepage where you can find my email address if need be)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how about those long ago promised picts, hey busy boy? ;D
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the idea of living in a smaller space is appealing, especially from an ecological perspective. There is a particularly American notion that bigger=better, resulting in our current dilemma with rampant sprawl. I grew up in typical suburban colonials- which always had the formal living and dining areas that sat empty most of the year, only to serve as shrines to upper-middle class affluence. It seems homes have doubled or tripled in size in the past decade- a wing for each member of the family. No one has to interact with anyone. Particularly baffling are those palatial roman baths that seem to be the norm- thanks to developers and real estate agents who claim they are necessary for "resale value." I've seen others post on here that the Dwell home seems too small but by European or Asian standards it would probably be seen as more than adequate. We don't need more space we just need to stop buying so much crap!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You said it brother!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i concur with the above and

[we just need to stop buying so much crap!]

and limit severely our driving habits, which often only serve the purpose of spreading all that useless crap all over the place.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:34 am    Post subject: YES!!! Reply with quote

That is an incredible layout. Unfortunately, I really do want to have kids, so three BR option? Is it possible to consolidate the kitchen/dining/living room? People gravitate to the fridge or kitchen anyway...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:37 am    Post subject: apartment Reply with quote

It really is a well-layed-out space, and all of it in only 750s.f. You could make the wings larger, allowing the kitchen/dining/living area to take one wing, slide the bathroom to where the kitchen is now, and place a third small bedroom along the hall. The hall wing would have to grow to 16' feet wide to make all of that work, and you'd be creeping into the 1200s.f. range, but it is possible to do. The kitchen layout now, seems like it could benefit from being opened to the dining area, but my apartment is the only one in the complex with the kitchen seperated, and for my money is the only kitchen in the complex that one can really cook in. We cook lots of stuff, and have tons of kitchen accessories, but yet we have tons of storage in the TINY kitchen. You can literally stand in one spot and reach everything. For a bigger space as I was describing above, I think you could afford to open the kitchen to the rest of the space. Even how it is now, folks congregate in the kitchen, but since there is so much glass you can still have visual relation between the other spaces in the house and the group gathered at the kitchen.

Courtyard houses are the best....

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:03 am    Post subject: Creeping towards 1200 sq ft Reply with quote

As long as it's below 1500, it should be much more affordable and livable than the homes you currently see on the market...

What's the minimum size of lot that you see an expanded 1200 sq ft. type of plan (or smaller preferably) being?

You have definitely hit upon something here... I'm anxious to see what you come up with.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm working on a 1232 s.f. version that is 32'x 52', three bedroom/one bath with a 24' x 17'7.5" courtyard. The kitchen/dining/living is 16'x32', and all of the bedoorm are decently sized (11'x13'). It should fit on most standard 50'x130' lots. Floor plan below...




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