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lyle
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 Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Temporary Structure |
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| seanpcooper wrote: | If you are just doing one 40' container why not just go with
http://www.globalportablebuildings.com/portable_building_genesis_8x40.htm
You can get one all fited out (including the "kitchen sink") for under $17K.
I can send you the price list if you like. I know that they don't have the modern "IKEAish" look to them, but for a temp structure why not go with the no frills approach. I initially thought you were going along the lines of the jonespartners.com approach. |
i looked over the quote for the global portable building and it looks like a great deal. the price is really attractive. i can make changes and upgrades myself. i am thinking i should buy a 40' essential unit and upgrade it. you can order it with stainless steel siding too.
thanks again sean |
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Bob_Sheaves
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: Container dimensions and repair/modification techniques |
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http://oklounge.org/pdf/MIL_HDBK_138.pdf
This is a PDF of the military guide to ISO and MILSPEC containers that we use in this industry.
Best regards,
Bob Sheaves
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lyle
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| very informative .... thanks for sharing |
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seanpcooper
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:01 am Post subject: Second quote |
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Lyle,
If you haven't already, you might want to check these folks out as well:
http://alliedcontainer.com/quote.html
I have spoken with them as well. Interesting folks, they are busy as hell with orders from guess who - poor ol' uncle sam.
Might as well get a quote from them too. I have not.
Or you could spend $500K and go with Jonespartners. (intended as a joke - sort of).
Regards,
Sean |
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J. Kretschmer, AIA
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: Permanent not Temporary construction details |
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My main interest in pursuing shipping container structures is for infill single family housing on typical suburban lots. Permanent houses, not temporary.
My main practice focuses on residential remodels, additions, etc. in California. I have a lot of skill in getting my projects approved by Cities and Homeowner's Associations. I believe that I can do the same with a shipping container home.
I've reviewed some of the comments in these forums about construction details and I've had a chance to glimse at Paul Sawyers' book. So far, I haven't seen any construction details that would comply with U.S. building codes for a permanent structure.
I've created a footing detail I'd like to share with those that have built a container building and to get some feedback. It includes a small part of an exterior wall detail, too. You can download the detail at: http://www.jkretschmer.com/FOOTING.pdf
Thanks,
Jennifer
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lyle
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would 12x12 concrete column blocks at each corner with two more 13'-4" o.c. along the length of the container work? the blocks would be grouted with #4 rebar and a 24"x24" footing 9" thick at 18" below grade. four anchor bolts will be imbeded in each foundation block with a 3/8" mounting plate bolted at the top. the container will be welded to the mounting plate.
i was planning on building out a 2x4 stick frame inside at both the wet and dividing walls. i wanted to keep some of the corrugated walls open as part of the decor. does code require double walls?
i have been advised that i should permit my container. i was told by my county building office that i could use the container as an office/studio or workshop. this would mean i would have to delete the shower and stove.
thanks for the foundation plan ideas jennifer |
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J. Kretschmer, AIA
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| lyle wrote: | would 12x12 concrete column blocks at each corner with two more 13'-4" o.c. along the length of the container work? the blocks would be grouted with #4 rebar and a 24"x24" footing 9" thick at 18" below grade. four anchor bolts will be imbeded in each foundation block with a 3/8" mounting plate bolted at the top. the container will be welded to the mounting plate.
i was planning on building out a 2x4 stick frame inside at both the wet and dividing walls. i wanted to keep some of the corrugated walls open as part of the decor. does code require double walls?
i have been advised that i should permit my container. i was told by my county building office that i could use the container as an office/studio or workshop. this would mean i would have to delete the shower and stove.
thanks for the foundation plan ideas jennifer |
The depth of the footings depends on your soil type. This information would be available in a soils report. If this is a new building, your building official will usually want you to submit a soils report with your drawings and permit application. You are building a pier foundation and you should have some grade beams between to prevent the building from settling unevenly. Also, rather than spreading out the weight of the building and people you are stressing them on just 8 points. That could be okay, but I need to do the math. Be sure to have the 12x12 blocks extend at least 6" above grade and slope the grade away from the building and don't forget the rebar. The crawl space under the building needs to be whatever your code calls for. Around here we use the U.B.C. and that minimum is 18 inches.
As far as walls go, there are two reasons for the walls to be framed thick. 1) is that you must provide insulation per code. Maybe that's not required in temperate Hawaii. 2) You need seismic shear walls. I believe that there are earthquakes in Hawaii.
Lastly, I don't see why you cannot make this a habitable living space with a kitchen and shower. Maybe this is a zoning issue. Do you already have a house on this property? Otherwise, if you fulfill complete code compliance, there should be no reason to prevent you from using this as a regular house.
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modernlover
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J. Kretschmer, AIA
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This is a very interesting product. Unfortunately, I could not find an ICC approval number. Without that, it would be very difficult to get a building department (at least here in the California S.F. Bay Area) to approve its use. At least the separate pieces had their ASTM testing number.
Have you already used these piers for a container building?
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lyle
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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i will have my container poroject redrawn and off to an architect to stamp. i should have the plans ready for submittal late next week. i will try to get it posted. it will be very simple --- just enough to get approval.
my 40' container has arrived on my construction site and it is too big to fit on the final lot. i will be cutting it down to 22' and selling off the other part to another container freak. |
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modernlover
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Jennifer - I helped install the Bigfoots in upstate New York (a friend's cabin) - so easily done!
As for the Pin Foundations - I think you need to examine the site a little more closely......
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J. Kretschmer, AIA
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: Pin Foundations |
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| modernlover wrote: |
As for the Pin Foundations - I think you need to examine the site a little more closely...... |
The site states that the pin foundations have filed an application for ICC approval. That means that they do not currently have approval. Even if they have an old ICBO number, my local municipalities will no longer accept the old reports. Also, the specification states that you need to have a soil report to determine the depth of the pins because you need the soil bearing pressure. However without a soil report you could use the information from the building code that has the typical soil bearing for different types of soils. It's very important that these pins are delivered to the proper depth, otherwise they are not doing anything to bear the loads of the structure.
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J. Kretschmer, AIA
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| J. Kretschmer, AIA wrote: | | lyle wrote: |
thanks for the foundation plan ideas jennifer |
Also, rather than spreading out the weight of the building and people you are stressing them on just 8 points. That could be okay, but I need to do the math. |
BTW, I've done some calculations on a single 40 foot container. Dead loads on the foundation for a container builing should be calculated at 50psf (30 for the container and 20 for roof loads) plus live loads of 40psf (live loads are people, furniture, etc. ). If you spread out the footings, as you plan to do, and use a total of 8, your 24x24x9 footing at each location is adequate. You will need to draw up a foundation plan and one detail for your building department, if you plan to get permit approval. I'm still concerned about differential settlement since you don't have grade beams, but I tend to lean more towards the conservative side since I am made personally responsible for every building I design.
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lyle
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: |
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thanks for taking the time to investigate my foundation issues jennifer... i appreciate it.
i have reduced the size of the container to 22' as my lot is too small for the main residence and the "studio" container. i will let the architect determine the correct footings since she is signing off on it. i should have something for you to see next week sometime. |
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sacredgardens
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: Big Island Conversion - Website |
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Aloha, working on two 40' container conversions on the Big Island.
Temporary structures. Therefore, no home exemption.
Mahalo for checking it out.
Keith
http://sacredgardens.freeservers.com/homeconversion.html |
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